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なぜイチローの時、前進守備を取らないのか?

1 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 14:59:47 ID:LxAGIQZ+
前スレが発狂したイボータによって埋められましたw

なぜイチローの時、前進守備を取らないのか?
http://ex20.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/mlb/1194663513/

2 ::2007/11/10(土) 15:12:50 ID:z7+R/i4f
クソスレ立てんな1誌ね

3 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 17:15:16 ID:kYMZi6gi
マジレスすると、内野だけ三歩ぐらい前進したら効果でかいんじゃない?


4 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 17:26:27 ID:Nyb9gDML
内野安打が減ってクリーンヒットが増えるだけだから

5 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 17:30:15 ID:X436UBZG
9人内野で

6 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 17:34:24 ID:uqkzVXum
なぜ>>1はこんな糞スレを立ててしまったのか?

7 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 17:42:09 ID:GMz73qkt
内野に前進されるより外野に前進されるほうがイチローにとってはやりずらいだろうね
打球が弱いとおいつかれる
平凡な外野手の好プレーで何本ヒットを無駄にしたかわからん

8 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 19:21:10 ID:tqtfu+mU
イボ松丼

9 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 20:15:24 ID:V/gNWoFj
>>7
セーフコではよく捕られてるよね

10 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 03:48:47 ID:6rzm67Os
1 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 11:58:33 ID:vdVAiNWf
前進守備なら内野安打へって確実に2割台


2 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:01:03 ID:g33UGqBU
またイボータが現実逃避してるよ・・・


3 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:02:09 ID:Me/Cl43C
外野三人を内野に集めるイチローシフトか
まあ打率は下がるだろうがランニングホームラン100本とかになるぞw


4 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:03:38 ID:ux8801Ls
イチローにしてみたら糞包囲網もいいとこ


5 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:04:14 ID:S3Bsdyf2
逆に間抜けるヒットが増えるだろ馬鹿


6 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:06:21 ID:l6BbT/YG
とりあえずイチローシフトのCM貼っときますね
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=vMScbjYzV6A


7 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:18:53 ID:MecKsMUS
GG SS獲得で悔しさの余りに立てた感がたっぷり。

11 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 03:50:20 ID:6rzm67Os
8 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:24:15 ID:fu4wHVAQ
真面目な話ある程度の長打力があるから野手が前に出すぎたらその上を抜かれる
確証は無いけど毎年安定してるイチロー、クロフォードあたりと波が大きいピエーレ、ポドセドニクあたりの差は
長打力の差なんじゃないかとなんとなく思う(ポドセドニクは怪我もあったけど)

9 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:30:28 ID:TAI36K0A
>>3
まあ、そこまで極端な守備陣形は取らないだろうけどさあ。
内野安打が減った分、2〜3塁打は増えるだろうな。確実に。

つーか>>1は、その程度の対応で何とか出来るなら、日米合わせて何百人もいる
スカウトがもう気がついているはずだ、ってことは考えないのかなあ。

10 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:34:37 ID:6IobnoWH
つか確か1年目に前進守備作戦やってえらい目に遭ったチームなかったっけ?
監督がすげーぼやいてたような

11 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 12:37:33 ID:mv/c+PTU
まあ、センターが極端に前で守るのはありだな。

12 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 13:22:30 ID:bbWbEQNS
>>11
a lot of inside park homerun.

13 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 13:27:31 ID:3HVi+n9h
>>8
禿げ同

1阿呆だろ。ちゃんとイチローの試合見ろよ。長打力もそれなりにある。

12 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 03:51:22 ID:6rzm67Os
51 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 13:34:52 ID:mqlqtIU3
>>10
おれもそれ聞いたことある
おれが知ってるのは、前進守備しいたら、その上ぽんぽん打たれて
間抜かれて、結局意味ナスだったって
もっと詳しく聞きたい

107 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/10(土) 13:38:31 ID:6IobnoWH
いきなり発狂したかw
まだ埋め立てきれてないスレが2つあるぞww

13 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 04:02:03 ID:TQOKa5Y9
なぜイチローのゴキヒットの時、セコセコフィールドの記録員は
明らかに内野手がポロったエラーでもヒット判定にしてしまうのか?

14 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 09:39:42 ID:XahyeL0A
結論:内野安打が減ってクリーンヒットが増える

15 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 10:42:45 ID:P3HLfDlt
>>14
加えてイボータがファビョル

16 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 11:03:54 ID:fhhcev++
常識的に考えるんだ。
大の大人が雁首揃えて、毎日毎日仕事として真剣に野球やってるんだぞ。
データ分析して、前進守備すりゃイチローを封じられる可能性が高いと
判断されたら、下手すりゃ移籍1年目の6、7月辺りから、相手チームは
そういうシフト引いてるだろ。

17 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 11:50:42 ID:Mi9OIHjm
間に合わないとワザとはじく守備でイチローの内野安打をエラーにして消す相手内野手

18 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 12:09:04 ID:4ijD/pVf
イチローは内野安打が凄いんじゃなくて内野安打もあるから凄いって事に気付いてないんだな…
だから「内野安打なかったらイチローは糞バッターw内野安打は恥ずかしいヒットww」みたいな非論理的且つ希望的な妄言を吐けるんだろう。
現実逃避も甚だしいな。

19 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 12:28:56 ID:YlHxjNXh
前進守備を布いときながらなおかつセイフティなんぞ決められた日にゃ
チームの精神衛生上甚だ宜しくないことになる。

20 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 12:42:41 ID:1rSBForL
http://www.ryutai.com/journal/kimuzuka/200708.html

ここの8月18日参照
>イチローのバット先端をカップ状に削り、「ジャストミートしやすく改良したら」どうなるか。
>シーズン200本どころか、「250本、打率4割」は明日にでも可能だろう。

>ところが、サンフランでのオールスターで放ったあわやホームラン?などという打球はもう望んではいけない

>イチローのバットにカップ加工の形跡を見つけたら、外野は前進して構え、
>両脇を抜ける打球の勢いも減少する事も早速に織り込まれてしまう。

>これをイチローという個人事業主が、トクと考えるか損として排除するか、
>いわばMLB内部「軍事バランス」考えた末に現在の彼の道具があのようになり、またあのように打っているわけなのである。

21 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 13:13:55 ID:xIxN8u3n
>>10
日本でプレーしてた時代に、
このCMのオファー来たら、激昂してただろうな

22 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/11(日) 20:41:49 ID:w50BrSM5
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     \      \        /    ヽ



23 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 00:04:35 ID:vIoX/OX3
イボータ憤死www

24 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 00:48:08 ID:zGdAOMYN
イチローはロングヒットもHRも十分狙って打てるから。

下手に前進守備とったら外野の頭越されるだけ。

25 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 09:51:50 ID:ltAmFe6s
イチローシフトで一番成功したのはレフト線閉められたことだろうな
うまく流し打って二塁打か!という当たりをエンゼルスあたりにずいぶん捕られた

26 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 11:26:34 ID:YDLeIomw
前進したら頭越されるから

27 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 15:24:51 ID:hjNPTz8n
松田さんの二ゴロシフト

28 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 17:03:30 ID:eMXULO3j
前進守備

速い打球に対応しづらい。
野手同士が近すぎ思い切った動きがしにくい。
野手のお見合いボール奪い合いしやすくなり、凡ミスしやすい。

29 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 17:02:32 ID:oLAb/uji
sage


30 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 17:28:46 ID:2twt88M4
マッスイサックの様な守備側の期待通りのセカンドゴロばかりを打ってくれないから

31 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 18:15:34 ID:KOC4zucn
中学生か野球ゲームしかやったことのない奴らなんだろうなぁw

32 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 18:22:55 ID:xE1f5ke6
結論:内野安打が減ってクリーンヒットが増える

33 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 18:32:22 ID:xE1f5ke6
つーか、それ(前進守備)で抑えられるんならとっくに抑えてるだろ
それが出来ないから、毎年安定した成績を残してるんだだろうが

34 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 18:37:27 ID:5ajWi+yS
外野安打をクリーンヒットなどと呼んでいる時点で
アンチの思惑に何割か嵌ってるのではと思う今日このごろ

35 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 20:29:34 ID:eMXULO3j
イチローは、わざと詰まらせてるが
詰まらないヒットは一概にクリーンヒットと呼ばれるよ。



36 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 20:36:16 ID:wY7X3A+U
毎年毎年すっげえ対策されるのにイチローはことごとくその上をいくんだ
だから監督やコーチからの評価が高い

37 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/12(月) 20:39:47 ID:xE1f5ke6
ウィザード(微笑)

38 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2007/11/12(月) 22:46:51 ID:TFOOifRy
>>1
あざ笑うように球足の速いゴロで抜かれるか内野の頭の上をぽーんと越されるかがオチだから
だいたい、シフトでヒットを防げるものなら350を三回も出来ないよ
300ならともかく350なんてのは変態の領域


39 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/13(火) 00:29:47 ID:k5wj95ZV
頭の上を越されるならまだいいよ。
頭の真上に上がってなかなか落ちてこないワンバウンドなんか打たれた日にゃ
すげー切ないぞ?少なくとも守備位置も作戦も間違ってなかったんだから。

40 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/13(火) 01:35:43 ID:nNp0XGxc
イチローに頭上を越されたらランニングホームランか三塁打覚悟だな。
悪くするとランニングでホームランキングあるよw
内野は少々前進した所で、間を抜かれるのもあるが、
キャッチャー前ヒットすら何度かあるイチローには、
しょせん完璧な対策にはならない。


41 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/13(火) 08:42:05 ID:5+httvNQ
「ゴキブリに対策も糞もあるか」

42 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 13:07:46 ID:H13BYizJ
イボ松田

43 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 13:15:45 ID:6s1NmhS5
〉なぜイチローの時、前進守備を取らないのか?

所詮メジャーなんてその程度のレベルなんですよ

44 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 13:27:21 ID:uCPE0rxZ
結論:内野安打が減ってクリーンヒットが増える

45 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 19:05:25 ID:doD7rqjz
沈黙の了解

46 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 19:14:51 ID:NW0oorhx
>>44
正解。
結局普通に守るのが一番いい守り方だと思う。

あとあえて言えば一二塁間と三遊間を狭めて守るくらいだろ。
広島が昔、篠塚シフトで守っていたな。

47 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 19:39:47 ID:GO6cPxXg
サード前進型シフトはまあイチローがもたらしたもんだけどな。

48 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 19:56:36 ID:C609owYn
むしろイチローがバット立てて構えてる間に投げたらいいんちゃうかと思うが
ヒーローが変身してるときに攻撃するくらい失礼な上、
効果がなかったらしいからな

49 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 20:10:42 ID:uCPE0rxZ
>>48 戸愚呂が100%の状態変化してるときに攻撃するくらい卑怯だから、そんなことはしないだろ

50 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 20:32:28 ID:C609owYn
>>49
それが、メジャーでいたんだよな。
2002年2003年だったと思うんだけど、無名ピッチャーが
マジでそれっぽいことやったんだよ!
すげえ大急ぎで投げたんだけど普通にヒット打たれた。
もちろんイチローは試合後嫌味なコメント


51 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 21:13:03 ID:Ob2AWKTY
バカバカしいとは判ってても「誰かいっぺん試してみねーかなあ?」てなことは
大抵誰か彼かメジャーでやってるよな?
で、大体結果は「やっぱダメだったか」。

52 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2007/11/14(水) 21:20:55 ID:/0imdwzU
>>50
ああ、いたな
で、あの程度の投手が、笑っちゃうねみたいなこと言ってたな
打たれちゃ世話無い罠w

53 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 21:36:42 ID:wLbdV5Xb
>>50
それは覚えていないなあ
もし、詳しい情報がわかれば教えて

54 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 21:46:12 ID:S2gGRyU2
今シーズンもレッドソックス戦でタバレスか誰かがやってたよ

55 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 23:22:24 ID:IrXZ/yRU
>>51
2001年にダイヤモンドバックスがサードを前進させて外野全体を左に寄せるイチローシフトをやってる。
3塁方向の内野安打を防ぐと同時に流すことも防ぐのが目的。
確かに単打は減ったけど引っ張った長打が増えた。

今は外野はほぼ定位置のままサードを前進させ、ショートをサード寄せ、セカンドをファーストに寄せる
シフトを時折見かける。走者があると4割近いことを考えると効果はあると思われ。

56 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/14(水) 23:52:37 ID:XAJstnVi
>>50
打つところが凄いなw

57 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/15(木) 00:35:03 ID:sPPPG1Jq
結論:何やっても結局打たれる

58 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/15(木) 00:38:58 ID:TFYBMlRZ
左、俊足打者シフト(セフティ対策の三塁前進、内野安打対策の遊撃前進)

はイチローとともに徐々に浸透してきたという感じ。

59 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/15(木) 07:57:22 ID:4G+xGH31
今年苦しんでも次の年には修正できるんだよな
.350を3回は説得力ありすぎ

60 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/15(木) 11:12:27 ID:xGjQW29X
前進守備作戦が目に見えて効果的だったら「外野手2人戦法」も
見せてもらえたかも知れない、と思うと少々残念だw

61 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 12:56:54 ID:JvAQxB+P
内野安打が減っても二塁打三塁打が増えたら割に合わんからな

62 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 13:34:02 ID:qlsffxTF
>>50
日本にもいたぞ確か宮本だったかな?オープン戦だかで
あの構えている間に投げれば打たれないと思って投げたら
あっさり打たれたって話してた
普通に待った方がイチロー怒ってそれから燃えて打たれるよりマシなんだろう

63 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 15:45:50 ID:9dXR1De/
>あの構えている間に投げれば打たれない

投手なら誰もが一度は考えるんだろうな。
結局打たれて「この二流が」てな目で見下されるのがオチだ。

…ところでまさかこれほどの大投手がそんなことしないだろう
というほどのビックネームがやってみたらどうだろうか。一度試して欲しい。
さすがのイチローも動揺を隠し切れないのではないだろうか。
誰か試してください サイヤング賞獲ったことある人。

64 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 17:51:59 ID:7d6Q4AAD
前進守備なんかしとったら、たまに当たったら大変やき
イチローのうったたまなんちゅうはやい

65 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 17:57:06 ID:817OKwmk
三遊間狭めて
左翼をライン寄りに前進、中堅をやや前に
センター前のシングルは諦める

66 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 19:55:35 ID:YPiGOK6P
結論:内野安打が減ってクリーンヒットが増える

67 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 19:59:07 ID:Ux2o2B/g
BABIPなんてほとんど運だと思うがイチローだけは打球の行方をコントロールしているように見える

68 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 20:37:15 ID:jLOuwbby
むしろ全身守備って気持ちで守るといいよ。

69 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 21:23:05 ID:LyKqN5uL
セカンドとサードが、バッターボックスの2m先で壁になれってか

70 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 21:57:51 ID:MsyQaKeb
もうこの際ピッチャーがキャッチャーのマスクとプロテクター付けて、
投げたらすぐに両手を広げて全身グラブと化してイチローに突進するw

71 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 22:11:00 ID:YPiGOK6P
>>70 そしたら、投手強襲内野安打打たれちゃう

72 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/21(水) 22:31:14 ID:iQDyqHsg
>>70
イチローならキャッチャーマスクにちょうど挟まるように狙って打つだろうな

73 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/22(木) 01:50:36 ID:CIHAxOfz
>>70
ピッチャーが突進しようと2歩目出したころには、打球はセンター前だよ

74 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/22(木) 01:53:00 ID:lMHW5WC8
>>72
何そのボールデッド→安全進塁権ww

75 :名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。:2007/11/22(木) 09:55:21 ID:pLXPVDTs
>>63
そういや、今年ノーノーやったバーリー
大物と言っていいと思うけど
イチローに超スローボールを投げてたなw

76 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/23(金) 09:55:29 ID:bWVcCYL8
バーリーwww

77 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/23(金) 16:15:18 ID:ZeHMHBYd
バーリー4打数4安打されて
その回のマウンドから戻るとき笑いながらイチローに脱帽して
それみてイチローも笑ってたのが印象的だったなあw

78 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/24(土) 00:53:32 ID:zz5aapwk
今の内野手4人外野手3人がベターなんだよな


79 :名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2007/11/30(金) 12:47:34 ID:nG56pIuQ

>>1

削除ガイドライン第5項、同第6項抵触。
野球総合板ローカルルール違反。

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